Comments on: JavaFX Petition http://steveonjava.com Hacking Java, JavaFX, and Flash with Agility Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:38:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: bmoez http://javafx.steveonjava.com/javafx-petition/#comment-72394 bmoez Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:50:14 +0000 http://steveonjava.com/?page_id=1237#comment-72394 Opening source will make javafx more powerful and more adaptable Opening source will make javafx more powerful and more adaptable

]]> By: hshino http://javafx.steveonjava.com/javafx-petition/#comment-20551 hshino Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:07:31 +0000 http://steveonjava.com/?page_id=1237#comment-20551 Let's enjoy JavaFX. JavaFX is permanently immortal. Let’s enjoy JavaFX.
JavaFX is permanently immortal.

]]> By: Steve On Java » JavaFX 2.0 (a.k.a. What Just Happened to JavaFX Script?) http://javafx.steveonjava.com/javafx-petition/#comment-17375 Steve On Java » JavaFX 2.0 (a.k.a. What Just Happened to JavaFX Script?) Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:28:29 +0000 http://steveonjava.com/?page_id=1237#comment-17375 [...] Open Source JavaFX Petition [...] [...] Open Source JavaFX Petition [...]

]]> By: Reggie http://javafx.steveonjava.com/javafx-petition/#comment-15591 Reggie Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:58:39 +0000 http://steveonjava.com/?page_id=1237#comment-15591 Even though it is a pipe dream, what do I have to loose. Larry will give away JavaFx in 2015 just, when it is completely obsolete. Good luck. Even though it is a pipe dream, what do I have to loose.

Larry will give away JavaFx in 2015 just, when it is completely obsolete.

Good luck.

]]> By: Fernando Cassia http://javafx.steveonjava.com/javafx-petition/#comment-14662 Fernando Cassia Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:37:48 +0000 http://steveonjava.com/?page_id=1237#comment-14662 There should also be a petition so Google does not discriminate with Chrome and .jnlp links are run directly, not saved. It´s just a bloody mime-type setting. And, if Oracle is smart, they could pay GOOG so clicks on jnlp links on machines without a java VM land the user into Java.com. FC There should also be a petition so Google does not discriminate with Chrome and .jnlp links are run directly, not saved. It´s just a bloody mime-type setting. And, if Oracle is smart, they could pay GOOG so clicks on jnlp links on machines without a java VM land the user into Java.com.

FC

]]> By: Fernando Cassia http://javafx.steveonjava.com/javafx-petition/#comment-14661 Fernando Cassia Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:33:48 +0000 http://steveonjava.com/?page_id=1237#comment-14661 Add my name to this, Fernando Cassia Add my name to this,

Fernando Cassia

]]> By: Paul Bakker http://javafx.steveonjava.com/javafx-petition/#comment-14622 Paul Bakker Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:27:18 +0000 http://steveonjava.com/?page_id=1237#comment-14622 You're right, they are not mutually exclusive. Spring and the JBoss products are the living proof of that. Open sourcing something that's closed source costs a lot of time and effort however, and that time can be spent a lot more useful at this moment. I would say that Oracle first have to push hard to make JavaFX at least competitive with the competition. After that it would be great if it would also be open sourced, because it certainly has a lot of advantages. It's all about priority. I just don't expect that the OS community will add so much value in the beginning that it's enough to push JavaFX to the top. You’re right, they are not mutually exclusive. Spring and the JBoss products are the living proof of that. Open sourcing something that’s closed source costs a lot of time and effort however, and that time can be spent a lot more useful at this moment. I would say that Oracle first have to push hard to make JavaFX at least competitive with the competition. After that it would be great if it would also be open sourced, because it certainly has a lot of advantages. It’s all about priority. I just don’t expect that the OS community will add so much value in the beginning that it’s enough to push JavaFX to the top.

]]> By: steveonjava http://javafx.steveonjava.com/javafx-petition/#comment-14559 steveonjava Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:49:21 +0000 http://steveonjava.com/?page_id=1237#comment-14559 Paul, Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I do not think your desire to see deeper investment in JavaFX and this effort to open source the platform are mutually exclusive. Oracle will need to continue to invest in JavaFX to ensure it grows into a mature platform. The primary benefit of open sourcing the platform is to protect the investment of other companies that do JavaFX development. I know businesses that would have gladly contributed critical patches and bugfixes to improve the platform, but instead had to live with reduced functionality or go to other technology platforms since they could not wait. Paul,

Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I do not think your desire to see deeper investment in JavaFX and this effort to open source the platform are mutually exclusive. Oracle will need to continue to invest in JavaFX to ensure it grows into a mature platform. The primary benefit of open sourcing the platform is to protect the investment of other companies that do JavaFX development. I know businesses that would have gladly contributed critical patches and bugfixes to improve the platform, but instead had to live with reduced functionality or go to other technology platforms since they could not wait.

]]> By: Paul Bakker http://javafx.steveonjava.com/javafx-petition/#comment-14557 Paul Bakker Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:48:20 +0000 http://steveonjava.com/?page_id=1237#comment-14557 I believe we need a backing company with a clear and strong vision for JavaFX. Open Sourcing will move us further away from that. Although we have a great user base it's impossible to compete with Adobe and Microsoft on RIA technology without a company spending serious amounts of money on it. There are a few areas where JavaFX could be useful: -Rich desktop applications -Web applications -Mobile devices Those are all very different kind of applications. So far, JavaFX tried to do all at once. The idea of write once, run anywhere is great, but not if none of them work well. Adobe has different (although as similar as possible) programming models for different kind of deployments (Flex for web, AIR for desktop and mobile). It also makes a lot of difference if you're creating a rich enterprise application or a movie player/game/banner. We need to focus at getting the best in one of those areas before trying to do the rest. JavaFX is cool, but can't even compare to Flex/Flash/Air or Silverlight. If it's not going to be competing with those technologies, we can better stop altogether spending time and money on JavaFX. I'm not saying JavaFX is a bad technology. If JavaFX would be the first RIA technology it would be mind blowing. That's not the case however. JavaFX is running far behind the competition and if we have to change that very soon. I believe we need a backing company with a clear and strong vision for JavaFX. Open Sourcing will move us further away from that. Although we have a great user base it’s impossible to compete with Adobe and Microsoft on RIA technology without a company spending serious amounts of money on it.

There are a few areas where JavaFX could be useful:
-Rich desktop applications
-Web applications
-Mobile devices

Those are all very different kind of applications. So far, JavaFX tried to do all at once. The idea of write once, run anywhere is great, but not if none of them work well.
Adobe has different (although as similar as possible) programming models for different kind of deployments (Flex for web, AIR for desktop and mobile). It also makes a lot of difference if you’re creating a rich enterprise application or a movie player/game/banner. We need to focus at getting the best in one of those areas before trying to do the rest. JavaFX is cool, but can’t even compare to Flex/Flash/Air or Silverlight. If it’s not going to be competing with those technologies, we can better stop altogether spending time and money on JavaFX.

I’m not saying JavaFX is a bad technology. If JavaFX would be the first RIA technology it would be mind blowing. That’s not the case however. JavaFX is running far behind the competition and if we have to change that very soon.

]]> By: David Armitage http://javafx.steveonjava.com/javafx-petition/#comment-14499 David Armitage Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:54:21 +0000 http://steveonjava.com/?page_id=1237#comment-14499 It seems to me this isn't a matter of choice, its absolutely necessary to recoup the ground and developer motivation that has been lost in the last 2 years, irrespective of whether Oracle are secretly (and if so thats a problem as well!) working on a wow release. It seems to me this isn’t a matter of choice, its absolutely necessary to recoup the ground and developer motivation that has been lost in the last 2 years, irrespective of whether Oracle are secretly (and if so thats a problem as well!) working on a wow release.

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